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It's no bad thing and anyone who thinks they are better "across the board" than ABS needs a reality check.
In practice, on the road ABS only really cuts in when you screw up. Although it's possibly a hinderance off road riding
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I'm with 'Leon Trotsky' it really should be down to choice not, 'your getting it regardless of you liking it or not' 
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| Loco wrote: | | I'm with 'Leon Trotsky' it really should be down to choice not, 'your getting it regardless of you liking it or not' |
I agree to a point, but statistically, "we" really only have ourselves to blame for this and other legislation changes... if "we" stopped creaming ourselves on a regular basis disproportionately to our tarmac footprint we would not have this sort of thing forced upon us.
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| biggus wrote: | | Loco wrote: | | I'm with 'Leon Trotsky' it really should be down to choice not, 'your getting it regardless of you liking it or not' |
I agree to a point, but statistically, "we" really only have ourselves to blame for this and other legislation changes... if "we" stopped creaming ourselves on a regular basis disproportionately to our tarmac footprint we would not have this sort of thing forced upon us. |
I don't disagree with ABS in principle, I disagree with personal choice being further eroded..
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| biggus wrote: | It's no bad thing and anyone who thinks they are better "across the board" than ABS needs a reality check.
In practice, on the road ABS only really cuts in when you screw up. Although it's possibly a hinderance off road riding |
I agree
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Thin end of large wedge about to be thrust up our backsides.
Join MAG and let the rider decide.
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Well said, and if you don't want to support those who are fighting for our rights, bend over and prepare to receive! 
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So I wonder what company "lobbied" the government the most reading the artical to gain financially from the extra £500 on every bike. Even more so, the "backhanders" they paid for it.
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I think more lives would be saved if everyone wore hi-viz jackets and only clear visors are used.
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as others have said i dont disagree with ABS on principle. however hthe lanes coated by my sheep (yorks hill) would mean that i frankly would not and could not actually stop on . Whilst my bike was in for a service last week the courtesy bike i had (with ABS) was fucking horrendous. I wasnt offroading this was just on a steep very steep hill. Covered in leaves, mud and general shit. My issue is that the new rulings also mean that manufacturers cannot put an ABS off switch. ABS is fine for those who dont ride in autumn.
And before anyone says that it must have been a different type of bike to mine. it was the ABS version of mine. As taz said i wonder who took the bribes for this idea.
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biggus
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| Flintstone wrote: | | I think more lives would be saved if everyone wore hi-viz jackets and only clear visors are used. |
There are interesting arguments for and against hi vis. like ABS it's handy in certain situations.
Recently I was wearing a high vis jacket, headlight on, white lide and a driver failed to give way to me under a bridge where I had priority... I was doing an appropriate speed and I'd moved across the road as I approached to "widen" me in his view. In fact on paper, I'd done everything "recommended" to be seen, and yet he still failed to see me. There was no accident or collision as I'd seen it all unfold, and taken avoiding action, but he still rolled down his window and said "Sorry mate, I didn't see you" . He would not have seen me if I had blue lights on, so high vis made little or no difference there, but who's to say that it would not have made a difference in another scenario. You just don't know, and of course it's impractical to change your attire every 100metres to account for different lighting/backdrop etc etc.
Not sure clear visors will make huge difference. For me, with quite light sensitive blue eyes I find that in bright sunshine i end up squinting with a clear visor, so I trade the limited time in complete shade off against that when deciding whether to wear dark or clear
| SkinnyHulk wrote: | as others have said i dont disagree with ABS on principle. however hthe lanes coated by my sheep (yorks hill) would mean that i frankly would not and could not actually stop on . Whilst my bike was in for a service last week the courtesy bike i had (with ABS) was fucking horrendous. I wasnt offroading this was just on a steep very steep hill. Covered in leaves, mud and general shit. My issue is that the new rulings also mean that manufacturers cannot put an ABS off switch. ABS is fine for those who dont ride in autumn.
And before anyone says that it must have been a different type of bike to mine. it was the ABS version of mine. As taz said i wonder who took the bribes for this idea. |
Again with every scenario it's hard to judge what's best, are they linked brakes on the Suzuki?
I've only had the Pan ABS cut in a couple of times in 5/6 years, perhaps it's a "softer" system on the pan? I ride in autumn too, granted I probably don't go up/down quite so steep muddy roads as you're talking about.
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biggus
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Nuclear Red wrote: | Thin end of large wedge about to be thrust up our backsides.
Join MAG and let the rider decide. |
| 1stGarry wrote: | | Well said, and if you don't want to support those who are fighting for our rights, bend over and prepare to receive! |
Personally I've never been a huge fan of MAG (probably because I've not found the more vocal "activists/campaigners" appealing characters, a little too evangelical for me...), although I am there's a lot to be thankful for them... but, unless I am mistaken, at the extreme end of it, if MAG had their way there would be no helmet law, rider choice etc etc...
Again, this all boils down to numbers, and if we as a collective group got our own house in order and through better training/skills reduced our KSI figures considerably, then perhaps we'd not be ritually rodgered by draconian measures.
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1stGarry
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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United we stand, divided we fall!
We need a voice that represents all of us, and there aren't many options on a national level.
You may not care for every single policy that a local councillor / political party has but most of us end up choosing the one that best represents our own views.
It the same for us bikers, you may not care for MAGs apparent fixation on helmet laws, but they do represent us and are active at lobbying levels.
Btw, they no longer actively chase the helmet law, but do still stick to the basic principal of rider choice.
Whether it's MAG or BMF, they are passionate about motorcycling, and are prepared to fight for our rights, to slow down or stop the incessant barrage of legislation that is here or on its way.
You don't have to be active, but just being a member helps build up their fighting funds.
£25 isn't a great deal to most of us (especially compared to what we spend on our bikes).
Sorry for the rant, but I am passionate about motorcycling, and I won't stand by and let those in authority to throttle the life out of it (at least not without at least poking 'em in the eye and maybe a knee in the crotch so they think twice). 
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