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wivvy's dad Cabbage club member #3
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 14655
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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Dave.....
Tell 'em..................................................................................... |
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Tinks Fairy Grandmoderator
Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 19443 Location: Away with the fairys.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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Roughie wrote: | wivvy's dad wrote: | Roughie wrote: | wivvy's dad wrote: | Which knee? Right or left?? |
Right Knee... been to the Dr's today got to go for xray and he has increased the pain killers.
hopfully i will get out on this run .. if i find it a problem i can always peel off and come home. | That'll stop you using the rear brake then....... |
Now this is getting confusing .. i use the rear to slow and to stop when i am not going too fast. I use the front break when i need to stop rather more suddenly... i have been out on one or two rides and have been told use the back break.... don't use the back break .. use the front break don't use the front break ... ohhh what is a girl to do... |
Just dont use the car in front to stop! _________________ Happiness is a friction burn on your knee
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Chuffster Knight in Green Armour
Joined: 18 Mar 2005 Posts: 6450 Location: A green place
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I never use the back brake. It gets touched once in a while to keep the rust of the disk and thats it. But thats me, most people will use the back to adjust the speed to a slight degree but most of the stopping power is with the front. If you brake hard enough, the back is in the air and its useless using the rear brake. _________________ Its better to regret something you did rather than something you didnt do... |
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Athos MotoGP Racer
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 6038 Location: climbing out of a big black hole
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Roughie wrote: | Now this is getting confusing .. I use the front break when i need to stop rather more suddenly... i have been out on one or two rides and have been told use the back break.... don't use the back break .. use the front break don't use the front break ... ohhh what is a girl to do... | i remember a short while ago someone complaining about our spelling don't you spell brake as in stopping not break as in leg _________________ |
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JimBo Pedantic Cnut
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 5394
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Athos wrote: | Roughie wrote: | Now this is getting confusing .. I use the front break when i need to stop rather more suddenly... i have been out on one or two rides and have been told use the back break.... don't use the back break .. use the front break don't use the front break ... ohhh what is a girl to do... | i remember a short while ago someone complaining about our spelling don't you spell brake as in stopping not break as in leg |
Here here...... oh b*ll*cks hear hear, or here hear, how about ear ear?
I only use the back brake to make the stop light come on when I'm using engine braking . _________________ So many roads, so little time. |
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Va Va Oops Va Va Yes yes yes yes!!!!
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 5020
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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I think I usually use mainly front brake to stop, and back to slow down a bit to change gear or whatever.
Occassionally (as witnessed by some of you ) I use a little too much front brake a little too sharply whilst turning. I'm beggining to think that doing that might not be such a great idea.
I also use the back break quite a lot when I'm riding slowly in heavy traffic and doing that clever little brake/clutch thingy that they taught me on the training course (like you have to do to do the turn in the road).
...Know what you mean though Roughie ...not only do I not know which is the best advice, but half the time I don't even understand what the hell they're talking about .....Counter-Steering, for example.... ....makes about as much sense to me as the Offside Rule.... |
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Athos MotoGP Racer
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 6038 Location: climbing out of a big black hole
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Va Va Oops wrote: |
.....Counter-Steering, for example.... ....makes about as much sense to me as the Offside Rule.... | you actually counter steer without knowing it,try turning right by turning the bars right you will find that you will actually go left _________________ |
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Tinks Fairy Grandmoderator
Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 19443 Location: Away with the fairys.
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GSEX-SLAPPY Guest
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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JimBo wrote: | Athos wrote: | Roughie wrote: | Now this is getting confusing .. I use the front break when i need to stop rather more suddenly... i have been out on one or two rides and have been told use the back break.... don't use the back break .. use the front break don't use the front break ... ohhh what is a girl to do... | i remember a short while ago someone complaining about our spelling don't you spell brake as in stopping not break as in leg |
Here here...... oh b*ll*cks hear hear, or here hear, how about ear ear?
I only use the back brake to make the stop light come on when I'm using engine braking . |
feck orf you know that winds me up |
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Va Va Oops Va Va Yes yes yes yes!!!!
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 5020
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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GULP!!!
I started to panic when it said "To deflect the bike from the vertical"
...by the time I got to "contrary to popular opinion, gyroscopic forces are not the answer - they contribute (and are easy to demonstrate) but the major forces (some 30 to 40 times stronger) are inertia and camber thrust." ...I knew I was WAY outta my depth..!!
Got to admit that I'm much more of a 'show me' than 'tell me' kind of person, however, right now, I'm worried that maybe Tinks is a bloke ...(cos she obviously gets all this!!)
...but now I'm noticing a thing or two...
Hmmmmmm.......
"the machine will turn around the point where lines drawn through the wheel spindles of the front and rear wheels cross each other (intersect)
the effect of trail moves the contract patch of the front tyre to one side, so that the centre of gravity of the bike is no longer directly above the line on which the bike is supported between the tyres - the bike will fall to one side
the effect of caster steering makes the front wheel lean, so that the contact patch is no longer on the centre line of the steering, and tries to turn the tyre into the corner - this is known as camber thrust "
...Whoahhh... ..Whoever wrote this was as wasted as me and probably had no more idea what the hell he was talking about than I do...???
...Soz Tinks ...Thanks for trying ...and apologies for being such a 'girl'...what I really need is some kind of demonstration.... |
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Va Va Oops Va Va Yes yes yes yes!!!!
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 5020
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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SlapheadBandit© wrote: | JimBo wrote: | Athos wrote: | Roughie wrote: | Now this is getting confusing .. I use the front break when i need to stop rather more suddenly... i have been out on one or two rides and have been told use the back break.... don't use the back break .. use the front break don't use the front break ... ohhh what is a girl to do... | i remember a short while ago someone complaining about our spelling don't you spell brake as in stopping not break as in leg |
Here here...... oh b*ll*cks hear hear, or here hear, how about ear ear?
I only use the back brake to make the stop light come on when I'm using engine braking . |
feck orf you know that winds me up |
Thought you were too Fick to get wound up??
Was that the 'brakes', the 'ears', or the spellings...??
...Not that I'd ever dream of using it against you.... |
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Baloo Guest
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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... and try this one for braking hints
http://www.survivalskills.clara.net/riding_skills_11.htm
VVO, next time you are out on the bike doing over 20 mph, just give a gentle push on the left hand (or pull on the right) and see which way the bike leans and turns.
I reckon you are already doing that but do not realise it. To turn right do the opposite
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Tinks Fairy Grandmoderator
Joined: 08 Feb 2004 Posts: 19443 Location: Away with the fairys.
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Va Va Oops wrote: |
GULP!!!
I started to panic when it said "To deflect the bike from the vertical"
...by the time I got to "contrary to popular opinion, gyroscopic forces are not the answer - they contribute (and are easy to demonstrate) but the major forces (some 30 to 40 times stronger) are inertia and camber thrust." ...I knew I was WAY outta my depth..!!
Got to admit that I'm much more of a 'show me' than 'tell me' kind of person, however, right now, I'm worried that maybe Tinks is a bloke ...(cos she obviously gets all this!!)
...but now I'm noticing a thing or two...
Hmmmmmm.......
"the machine will turn around the point where lines drawn through the wheel spindles of the front and rear wheels cross each other (intersect)
the effect of trail moves the contract patch of the front tyre to one side, so that the centre of gravity of the bike is no longer directly above the line on which the bike is supported between the tyres - the bike will fall to one side
the effect of caster steering makes the front wheel lean, so that the contact patch is no longer on the centre line of the steering, and tries to turn the tyre into the corner - this is known as camber thrust "
...Whoahhh... ..Whoever wrote this was as wasted as me and probably had no more idea what the hell he was talking about than I do...???
...Soz Tinks ...Thanks for trying ...and apologies for being such a 'girl'...what I really need is some kind of demonstration.... |
Think you could be right, as i also understand the offside rule
I'll be happpy to show you how it works when im out and about on the bike again but my guess is you would have been shown by then.
But to cut it down a bit if the bend is to your right push on the right hand side bar and if its to the left push to the left.
just give it a try at about 10mph
think this month bike or ride has a write up about it. _________________ Happiness is a friction burn on your knee
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BlueRR MotoGP Racer
Joined: 06 Apr 2005 Posts: 2872
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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My very small input on counter steering ...
I couldn't get my head around it until I happend to look at the bars whilst cornering once and found that I was counter steering naturally .. once I'd done this I tried pushing on the opposite bar when cornering, and as strange as it sounds it works ..... _________________ Are you ready boots ... ? |
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BarryH Cabbage club member #1
Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Posts: 7579
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Git didn't read it properly now I can't delete it....bugger |
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Va Va Oops Va Va Yes yes yes yes!!!!
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 5020
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Tinks] Think you could be right, as i also understand the offside rule
I'll be happpy to show you how it works when im out and about on the bike again but my guess is you would have been shown by then.
But to cut it down a bit if the bend is to your right push on the right hand side bar and if its to the left push to the left.
just give it a try at about 10mph
think this month bike or ride has a write up about it.[/quote]
Yup ..I've read it ...and read it ...and read it.... PAH!!! ...BLONDE!!
...I can't play pool, either...
...but I can build you a table, or show you how to build a jig for a high-speed router....
...defensive-girly-stance!!
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GSEX-SLAPPY Guest
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Va Va Oops wrote: | [quote="Tinks] Think you could be right, as i also understand the offside rule
I'll be happpy to show you how it works when im out and about on the bike again but my guess is you would have been shown by then.
But to cut it down a bit if the bend is to your right push on the right hand side bar and if its to the left push to the left.
just give it a try at about 10mph
think this month bike or ride has a write up about it. |
Yup ..I've read it ...and read it ...and read it.... PAH!!! ...BLONDE!!
...I can't play pool, either...
...but I can build you a table, or show you how to build a jig for a high-speed router....
...defensive-girly-stance!!
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JimBo Pedantic Cnut
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 5394
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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Va Va Oops wrote: | I'm worried that maybe Tinks is a bloke |
You obviously haven't met _________________ So many roads, so little time. |
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Athos MotoGP Racer
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 6038 Location: climbing out of a big black hole
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Va Va Oops wrote: | I'm worried that maybe Tinks is a bloke | if she is i'm turning queer _________________ |
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BOSS Speedway Rider
Joined: 10 Sep 2005 Posts: 492
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Posted: Tue May 02, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Still havn't got the whole counter steering concept and i think thats why i severely lack speed around the twisties. But since reading twist of the wrist and applying some practice im getting better now so fingers crossed i wont be left with Biggus again. Guess it all boils down practice and determination. |
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Flintstone Del Boy Deer Hunter
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 3988 Location: .........in another world !
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 12:10 am Post subject: |
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I didn't notice counter-steering til I thought about the slight pressure on the palms of my hands when going into a corner. I use my back brake when I'm warming the engine and putting my gloves on in the morning as the bike will not start with the stand down. Also, I sometimes use the rear brake in a corner to scrub off a little speed. _________________ It's all down to quality of life ! |
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biggus illitterātus
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 31748 Location: Hotel California
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 12:31 am Post subject: |
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BOSS wrote: | Still havn't got the whole counter steering concept and i think thats why i severely lack speed around the twisties. But since reading twist of the wrist and applying some practice im getting better now so fingers crossed i wont be left with Biggus again. Guess it all boils down practice and determination. |
Not sure if i'll be out on Sat as yet, twist of the wrist is a cracking book even if the language is a little patronising. The key thing to remember with counter steering is that it's actually quite a small movement to of the bars to adjust the attitude of the bike and initiate the turn by tipping the bike in; you're probably doing it all the time without thinking about it at all - i.e. to move out for a parked car etc.
The way you're sitting on the bike can really affect the way it handles/corners - i.e. the angle of your elbows/arms, your position in the seat. After reading twist of the wrist i improved my conering no end by sliding back on the seat rather than having my nuts on the tank. _________________
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wivvy's dad Cabbage club member #3
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 14655
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Saturday.
Again...................... if it's raining at 10am, consider this cancelled.
If it is, a further date will be scheduled from the dates on offer. |
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f1reblade MotoGP Racer
Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 2896
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Va Va Oops wrote: |
GULP!!!
I started to panic when it said "To deflect the bike from the vertical"
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Well a pro racer can go from vertical to full on knee down arse out lean of 50 odd degrees in roughly 1/2 a second.
The skill of riding is in the deflection
PS - the rear brake rawks so you can back it in _________________ Viva Rossi - The Champion of choice! |
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craigs23 Drag Racer
Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 715 Location: Sussex
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Posted: Wed May 03, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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I've noticed my counter steering recently - maybe cos I've turned my steering damper up a couple of notches (front end feels nice and wriggly when powering on). Seems to be, that I use passive counter steering for slow corners and active counter steering as speeds increase.
What's the weather doing this weekend? |
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