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Va Va Oops
Va Va Yes yes yes yes!!!!
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I've got a confession to make ...when approaching junctions and roundabouts in slow-moving traffic I sometimes fail to indicate 
...it's not cos I've forgotten
...or cos I'm lazy
...it's cos I can't reach to operate the indicator switch if I'm having to use the clutch ...so, unless I can flick it on well in advance, or get up enough momentum to quickly let go of the throttle and do it with my right hand, I have to trust that other road users will take the CH approach and take their cue from my position in the road...
some do. some don't. some get REALLY ANGRY!!! (apologies to the latter as I get cross with car drivers who don't indicate).
Does anybody else find this difficult? |
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GSEX-SLAPPY
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Nope......and frankly i reckon there are probably enough aftermarket clutch levers with different profiles for you to be able to do something about it ....................maybe the infamous inci could prescribe something  |
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Baloo
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Va Va Oops wrote: | I've got a confession to make ...when approaching junctions and roundabouts in slow-moving traffic I sometimes fail to indicate
...it's not cos I've forgotten
...or cos I'm lazy
...it's cos I can't reach to operate the indicator switch if I'm having to use the clutch ...so, unless I can flick it on well in advance, or get up enough momentum to quickly let go of the throttle and do it with my right hand, I have to trust that other road users will take the CH approach and take their cue from my position in the road...
some do. some don't. some get REALLY ANGRY!!! (apologies to the latter as I get cross with car drivers who don't indicate).
Does anybody else find this difficult? |
Not me. Perhaps your timing may be out. How early are you changing gear or how late are you indicating? How many times do yo uneed to change gear as you are reach the corner? |
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BlueRR
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Va Va Oops wrote: | I've got a confession to make ...when approaching junctions and roundabouts in slow-moving traffic I sometimes fail to indicate
...it's not cos I've forgotten
...or cos I'm lazy
...it's cos I can't reach to operate the indicator switch if I'm having to use the clutch ...so, unless I can flick it on well in advance, or get up enough momentum to quickly let go of the throttle and do it with my right hand, I have to trust that other road users will take the CH approach and take their cue from my position in the road...
some do. some don't. some get REALLY ANGRY!!! (apologies to the latter as I get cross with car drivers who don't indicate).
Does anybody else find this difficult? |
I've not had this problem, and I've got pretty tiny hands.... usually I indicate then change gear, or vice versa ... not normally trying to indicate and holding in the clutch .... 
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Va Va Oops
Va Va Yes yes yes yes!!!!
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| MarcBC wrote: | | Va Va Oops wrote: | I've got a confession to make ...when approaching junctions and roundabouts in slow-moving traffic I sometimes fail to indicate
...it's not cos I've forgotten
...or cos I'm lazy
...it's cos I can't reach to operate the indicator switch if I'm having to use the clutch ...so, unless I can flick it on well in advance, or get up enough momentum to quickly let go of the throttle and do it with my right hand, I have to trust that other road users will take the CH approach and take their cue from my position in the road...
some do. some don't. some get REALLY ANGRY!!! (apologies to the latter as I get cross with car drivers who don't indicate).
Does anybody else find this difficult? |
Not me. Perhaps your timing may be out. How early are you changing gear or how late are you indicating? How many times do yo uneed to change gear as you are reach the corner? |
Ah ...may be nearest the truth ...I think....
I'm mostly talking only about times when you are having to crawl up to the junction/roundabout ...when (at least on my bike) I feel that I need to sit somewhere inbetween first and second gear ...so I'd like to say that I'm in second, clutch balanced, and using the back break (as taught when learning) ..but, in truth, a lot of the time, I'm probably down in first and over-utilising the clutch ready to either stick my feet down or slip up into second and go..
Don't believe I ever turn without using the clutch (BlueRR)
And I replaced my clutch lever with an adjustable one just after I got the bike (Slappy) ...I like it how it is ..Kai changed it last week and it scared the pants off me for a few days!! 
As per (MBC) specifics...
1. Perhaps your timing may be out. ...could well be set a bit low, but I don't understand the relevance
2 How early are you changing gear or how late are you indicating?
a) depends on speed of traffic in front of me and b) depends on whether there are any other side roads between me and the junction/roundabout/turn
3 How many times do you need to change gear as you are reach the corner?
depends on the approach speed, the surrounding traffic, the approaching traffic, etc, etc...
Don't mean to sound arsey ...think maybe I could be missing something that I don't know that I'm missing???? ...but I still think that the clutch/brake/throttle thing is a good idea when approaching a turn ...and I was hoping to hear that everyone else did this without any problems ...cos that might mean that when I get my scaphoid fixed I won't have a problem either..
...confused now... |
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Baloo
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Perhaps your timing may be out. ...could well be set a bit low, but I don't understand the relevance
VVO, I meant the timing of when you are approaching a corner and changing gear or indicating!  Not the ignition timing.
It may be you are doing one or the other too early or too late. It is not a criticism, just a thought as you seem to be in an unusual place.
Changing indication with you right hand?  That is an interesting, if not the wisest of solutions. |
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BarryH
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| "Changing indication with you right hand? That is an interesting, if not the wisest of solutions"........sounds downright fucking dangerous to me! |
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Jam
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Unless of course you're talking about modifying the switchgear to put the indicator switch on the right....?
Chap at madiera only has 1 arm.. he must manage somehow! |
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biggus
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Don't BMW's have indicators on the left & right bars?
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| SlapheadBandit© wrote: | | CHILLI wrote: | | Mirror, signal, manoeuvre... after waiting to see if it is safe to do so. |
i always thought it was mirror signal mirror manouvre? |
I find it interesting to note the cultural differences between the US & the UK on this.
In the UK, it's as Chilli says: Mirror, signal, manoeuvre - you check that it's clear, then signal your intention.
In the US (or at least CA where I grew up), it's the opposite: SMOG - Signal, Mirror, Over-the-shoulder, Go - you signal your intention first, then proceed when it's safe to do so.
Subtle difference, but matters hugely in the UK as to whether you'll be perceived as polite or aggressive.
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AJ
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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That is SO wrong. Bit like the US policy on Carbon Emissions.
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wildman
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Any indication of intention is better than none I find. It's all well and good saying look at road positioning etc. but what the hell do ya do when they are in left hand lane at a roundabout and then take 3rd exit (right turn) without any indication whatsoever? Like the cnut in the Range Rover I was stuck behind on my way home from work tonight! He did the self same thing on no less than 2 roundabouts before I could get past. If this was an isolated incident I wouldn't be mentioning it by the way.
Always fecking amazes me that so many late plated "Prestige" cars have non-functioning indicators!
Anyone know of any ESP training courses locally?
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kaifish
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| wildman wrote: | Any indication of intention is better than none I find. It's all well and good saying look at road positioning etc. but what the hell do ya do when they are in left hand lane at a roundabout and then take 3rd exit (right turn) without any indication whatsoever? Like the cnut in the Range Rover I was stuck behind on my way home from work tonight! He did the self same thing on no less than 2 roundabouts before I could get past. If this was an isolated incident I wouldn't be mentioning it by the way.
Always fecking amazes me that so many late plated "Prestige" cars have non-functioning indicators!
Anyone know of any ESP training courses locally? |
had the exact oposite today, had someone move from the right hand lane cut across me to exit the roundabout luckily i was hanging back because he wasnt indicating (thought he was going strait on) but had to jump on the brakes !!!
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GSEX-SLAPPY
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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| wildman wrote: | Any indication of intention is better than none I find. It's all well and good saying look at road positioning etc. but what the hell do ya do when they are in left hand lane at a roundabout and then take 3rd exit (right turn) without any indication whatsoever? Like the cnut in the Range Rover I was stuck behind on my way home from work tonight! He did the self same thing on no less than 2 roundabouts before I could get past. If this was an isolated incident I wouldn't be mentioning it by the way.
Always fecking amazes me that so many late plated "Prestige" cars have non-functioning indicators!
Anyone know of any ESP training courses locally? |
a very valid point steve and frankly if im late with indication and feel ive dropped someone in the shit behind ill use the old fashioned method of sticking a limb out .............strange how drivers still seem to take more notice of an arm hanging out than a light flashing.
cant answer for the cnuts in cars tho it should be a pointable offence to not indicate |
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kaifish
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| Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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ive put (on the poll ) 'im about to change lanes' because thats what i asume when i see someone indicating!!!
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AJ
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CAN I ALSO RAISE THE FACT THAT CAR DRIVERS CONSISTENTLY FAIL TO SEE GSXR K6+ MIRROR-MOUNTED INDICATORS ... AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN - OH FUCK!
(Dunc - nice to fwd to Steve/Sarah, as this is a mad problem I'v'e never experienced on any other bike)
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wildman
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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It's cos they are on the mirrors. Although I am sure you know that. Problem is that 'cos they are in a different place to normal they just don't see 'em. Would probably help if they were looking in the first place of course
Wonder if the Blackbird is the same?
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GSEX-SLAPPY
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| as said before ...whack a mitt out an i bet ya problems halve |
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AJ
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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Hang on... (Monty Python moment)... we're bikers, so we SEE further ahead, we DO further ahead, and we FLIP YOU OFF further ahead. Ta ta, sorted. What was the question?
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wivvy's dad
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| The Pan's not a problem tho', so must be you................................ |
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wildman
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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That's 'cos compared to a pan, a Gixxer is bloody microscopic mate
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 12:16 am Post subject: |
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FYI - I feel I HAVE to stick a limb out left on the slip from A23/South Lane in fear of some myopic Korean in a Tank twatting me from behind on the turn (as if it would make a difference - they shouldn't mostly not have licences (PLOD! CLEAN UP THIS TOWN!))
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