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GT Expert CnutCnut
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 5099 Location: Probably in ya mirror if you bothered to look!
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Windy Just call me Janice...
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 4145 Location: Up norff
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Good topic Matt. Granted, the burglar shouldn't have been in the flat in the first place but I don't think he deserved to die.
This reminds me of the Tony Martin/Fred Barras case a few years back.
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biggus illitterātus
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 31748 Location: Hotel California
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Damn right he deserved it. An Englishmans home is his castle! Do the crime, do the time. _________________
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Jay1 Mini Moto racer
Joined: 11 Oct 2007 Posts: 983 Location: Sutton
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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Totally agree with Bigus. If you are willing to break into someone elses house and take their stuff, and no doubt hurt the occupants if they get in your way or suprise you, then I'm affraid you get whats coming to you.
The problem for criminals is there is no fear in them commiting crimes. They know most people wont stand up to them, and even if they are caught the punishments are rediculously lenient most of the time. I know if I caught someone in my place they would get a serious battering. I would not take the chance that I didn't hit em hard enough and they could retaliate. |
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wivvy's dad Cabbage club member #3
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 14655
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Can I abstain? |
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Flintstone Del Boy Deer Hunter
Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 3988 Location: .........in another world !
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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It was unfortunate that he died, but I don't feel sorry for him. They shouldn't have moved the body though. Still, not sure what anyone would do in that situation. _________________ It's all down to quality of life ! |
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Suzibabe Vin Diesel
Joined: 09 Aug 2006 Posts: 4178 Location: Wokingham
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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I believe in being allowed to defend your property and yourself, particularly if you're being attacked.
However, stamping on the guy's face and him being killed as a result of his injuries is sickening. _________________ We are all born mad. Some remain so. ~ Samuel Beckett 1906-1989 |
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Tango Sicknote - The Prophet Of Doom
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 5854 Location: Looking for a + 10 @ Rising :-0
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Have to say I have no sympathy for the burglar, but this was totally OTT..
IMO/ this was cold blooded murder .... _________________
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CHILLI 202.9mph Raspberry Ripple
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 7857
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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No real sympathy for any of them, except maybe the relatives.
The burglar certainly deserved a slap, but not to be beaten to death! _________________ Don't wait for your ship to come in .. torpedo it out of the water and move on to the next target |
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Skins Despatch Rider
Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 237 Location: Mostly on my R1
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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I think as we do not know the circumstances of burglary then its hard to comment on if too much force was used.
Chances are the scum that broke in when confronted turned into a caged animal that tried to escape. A certain level of force was required to either restrain or protect. In this instance I would have used as much force as I physically had in me to defend myself in MY property against anyone I came across, especially if my family were with me.
If that meant stamping, stabbing, shooting, battering, biting, maiming, killing then so be it.
The message should go out to all scum that intend to break into ANYONE's house that there is a very good chance that they could end up receiving one of the above (or all of the above).
The difference with the lads that killed the scumbag is they were more than likely tanked up on booze when they returned and went hell for leather without thinking of the outcome.
Sad state of affairs really! _________________ If I want your opinion I will give it to you!!!! |
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pip Pip Pedrosa
Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 1637 Location: South of Heaven
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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No sympathy for the burglar but they went too far. I think it is the nature of the killing rather than the killing itself which is the big thing.
I think there might be more of these sort of vigilante things coming soon too. It's a very frustrating judicial system we have which doesn't appear to punish the people who should be, so maybe it's understandable that some would feel they need to dish out justice themselves.
I'm not saying it's right, but that's how a lot of people feel I think. |
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GSEX-SLAPPY Guest
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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At what point do you say enough is enough when confronted with another human being who is trying to rid you of your worldy goods and possibly your own life because you have that person cornered.
Frankly in my opinion once that person is disabled/immobilised/unconsious then thats enough ..stabbing is a last line of defense and stamping on someones head ????...lets face it they must already be on the floor therefore i assume immobilised or under control.
He deserved the kickin
He didnt deserve to die
They deserve the sentence
senseless violence when you consider it could be better redirected at kiddie fiddlers |
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Va Va Oops Va Va Yes yes yes yes!!!!
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 5020
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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Two wrongs don't make a right. |
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doh1990 World Superbike Racer
Joined: 27 Aug 2006 Posts: 1540 Location: Redhill/Hatfield
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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SLAPPY© wrote: | At what point do you say enough is enough when confronted with another human being who is trying to rid you of your worldy goods and possibly your own life because you have that person cornered.
Frankly in my opinion once that person is disabled/immobilised/unconsious then thats enough ..stabbing is a last line of defense and stamping on someones head ????...lets face it they must already be on the floor therefore i assume immobilised or under control.
He deserved the kickin
He didnt deserve to die
They deserve the sentence
senseless violence when you consider it could be better redirected at kiddie fiddlers |
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Va Va Oops wrote: | Two wrongs don't make a right. |
agreed but it certainly makes the first wrong know he certainly wasnt right |
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Tiny MotoGP Racer
Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 2519 Location: God's Right Hand
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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No sympathy.
He's probably burgled 100's of other hard working honest tax paying people who contribute to society. Just like everyone on here.
Fuck him. _________________ I'd rather have a full bottle infront of me, than a full frontal Lobotomy |
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GT Expert CnutCnut
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 5099 Location: Probably in ya mirror if you bothered to look!
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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and here in lies the problem, this was not his first offence, guaranteed, its interesting to see peeps sympathy coming out, he is/was obviously a cnut and deserved all that was coming, it was his choice to live that life, as stated fcuk him! _________________ Speed Limits are Minimums and remember Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one
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Scrappy Biggus' whachamacallit
Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 1164 Location: Sausalito, CA
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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There were two of them. They should have restrained him and called the police. Killing the guy, they deserve to get locked up. If it was one on one and came to a situation where it was going to be my life or his I'd defend myself. _________________
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GT Expert CnutCnut
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Scrappy wrote: | There were two of them. They should have restrained him and called the police. Killing the guy, they deserve to get locked up. If it was one on one and came to a situation where it was going to be my life or his I'd defend myself. |
I can absoloutely guarantee you that two bloke cannot restrain one bloke who is intent on getting away / harming you both, please do no not start thinking that this little cnut would have observed any queensbury rules!!!
Out of curiosity what is the stance on finding someone in your home in the states? _________________ Speed Limits are Minimums and remember Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one
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big al Truck driving Hero
Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 4022 Location: "mmmm new bike soon"
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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no sympathy from me at all, you come into my house uninvited, you pay the price, i'd have no hessitation of defending my home, they got what they deserved, personaly i'd have tortured them a bit first, then beat them senseless, (tosser's)
oh & for the record it's not me they killed, i'm alive & kicking " oh yes" _________________ "WHAT A FUCKING LIBERTY" |
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Skins Despatch Rider
Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 237 Location: Mostly on my R1
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Spitey wrote: | No sympathy.
He's probably burgled 100's of other hard working honest tax paying people who contribute to society. Just like everyone on here.
Fuck him. |
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Tango Sicknote - The Prophet Of Doom
Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 5854 Location: Looking for a + 10 @ Rising :-0
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Do you really want someone walking the streets, who can take someones life with out a moments hesitation .. _________________
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GT Expert CnutCnut
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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tango wrote: | Do you really want someone walking the streets, who can take someones life with out a moments hesitation .. |
They already do Steve but these blokes were not just walking down the street, they went into there own home to find someone who just breaks into and helps himself to other peoples belongings without a moments hesitation, to feed a habit that goes into the depths of misery that you can only imagine! _________________ Speed Limits are Minimums and remember Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one
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Athos MotoGP Racer
Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 6038 Location: climbing out of a big black hole
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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society has not got a good deterent at the moment,what are we going to do to stop these b******s from stealing from us,if this death makes the villians think about what they are doing,justice has been served _________________ |
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Va Va Oops Va Va Yes yes yes yes!!!!
Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 5020
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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matttherat wrote: | tango wrote: | Do you really want someone walking the streets, who can take someones life with out a moments hesitation .. |
They already do Steve but these blokes were not just walking down the street, they went into there own home to find someone who just breaks into and helps himself to other peoples belongings without a moments hesitation, to feed a habit that goes into the depths of misery that you can only imagine! |
Sorry but I think I am with Tango on this one
Maybe some on here are 'hardened' through proximity, but I do not consider myself capable of "kicking someone's head in" in order to protect my property ...if it came down to protecting my children/loved ones then I might have to reconsider ...but I would still far prefer to 'seriously maim' than actually murder someone
My impression of this particular scenario is that some druggy scumbag happened to pick on the home of some hooligan scumbag for his evening's scummy burglary activity - a poor choice that paid off to his significant disadvantage
Result: - one scumbag down and two to go (my personal jury on the other 3 who got off without any charge is still out)
Basically, I do not condone burglary but neither do I condone senseless violence and murder ...and as for vigilanteism ...sorry but that is why we pay for a police force and a judicial system. If I am expected to deal with it on my own then please can I have a refund on my tax??!
Incidentally... ...Yes - I have been burgled. Once arrived home (front door) as the burglar was getting in (rear window) and he left pretty sharpish. ...The other time I arrived home thinking I had forgotten to shut the back door ...then realised that the glass in the door was broken ...went in and turned the lights on before thinking that that was a bit silly and running back out into the road to wait for a police car to flag down (it was a rough area so there were plenty of them!) ...I had to actually block the police car's progress to get them to stop and they were very reluctant to go in and check out the property for me (which I think was a bit poor!)
End of the day ...I wouldn't invite any of these people to dinner ...and maybe a general culling of all scumbags would relieve the rest of us law-abiding folk of any responsibility to deal with either burglars or drunken hooligans (likely to beat up anyone who crosses their path) without undue pressure on our concience!! |
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