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boudicas Kermit
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V MotoGP Racer
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info
Was talking today about joining one of these groups but just not sure yet which one _________________
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wivvy's dad Cabbage club member #3
Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 14655
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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This is my opinion.
The ones I know ARE boring old farts.
IAM are basically a bunch of Police wannabees, and once you pass to their standard, you then become an observer, and then possibly an examiner etc, thereby perpetuating their meagre standards.
ROSPA on the other hand re-test on a regular basis, and seem to have a much better reputation.
If you REALLY want to learn how to ride better, your best bet would be to talk to Rapid Training. |
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boudicas Kermit
Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 2987 Location: Bletchingley, Surrey
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: |
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wivvy's dad wrote: | This is my opinion.
The ones I know ARE boring old farts.
IAM are basically a bunch of Police wannabees, and once you pass to their standard, you then become an observer, and then possibly an examiner etc, thereby perpetuating their meagre standards.
ROSPA on the other hand re-test on a regular basis, and seem to have a much better reputation.
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So said the guy who posted the following on another thread http://www.boxhill.co.uk/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=17921
wivvy's dad wrote: | The only thing I would add is to actually look "beyond" the bend limit point, even if you can't actually see beyond it. This trains your brain to extend your zone of safety. Look for the roadside trees/bushes/telegraph poles etc, which way do they go?
No more, I normally charge for this sort of stuff. |
Somehow I dont think that WD's response is motivated by anything other than potential loss of business.
FYI - The IAM do not have internal examiners to test associates on the Advanced Riding Test but rather its the same serving and retired Police Class 1 riders and instructors that test both the IAM and RoSPA Riders although the RoSPA scheme does require you to be re-tested every 3 years. I personally think this system of re-testing should be adopted by the IAM. Also, to be and an Observer in the IAM you have to be retested every 3 years just as in RoSPA.
The RoSPA Gold Certificate is recognized by the DSA as the highest civilian riding qualification and most of the Riding instuctors I know boast that they have achieved it in their advertising.
I'm not gonna bother responding to the "Police wannabees" comment as its purpose is probably based in trying to stop people from going to either of these non-profit making charities to improve their riding skills rather than spending hundreds of pounds to an overpriced riding school for a day or two of tuition with no qualification / certificate at the end of it. (Of Course Im not including the Enhanced Rider Certificate scheme that is now in place)
But then - Thats my opinion !! _________________ Opinions are like assholes...... Ahhh Fcuk it - YOUR WRONG !!!
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wivvy's dad Cabbage club member #3
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boudicas Kermit
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: |
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Seen the post but dont see the connection.
However, both the IAM and RoSPA follow these core rules
1) To ride as safe as possible whilst making the best possible progress in all traffic situations
2) To Ride within the law at all times
3) To be considerate to other road users and be an example that is to be followed.
4) To enjoy riding Motorbikes in all situations. _________________ Opinions are like assholes...... Ahhh Fcuk it - YOUR WRONG !!!
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wildman "Fluffy"
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 2081 Location: Not here!
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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WD, is that right? Do you teach advanced riding? No? didn't think so.
However, if you did. I would expect that I would learn a hell of a lot more riding with you than with any IAM group out there.
To my shame I actually considered joining the IAM at one point. It was just after I passed my test and I was all eager to learn more Luckily for me they have/had this little rule that says no motorcycle under 200cc. I was still on my 125 at the time. A derestricted 125 that was more than capable of breaking every speed limit in the country I might add.
Made no difference to those jumped up twats though. I was pissed off at the time but now I am rather glad they wouldn't let me join their little "gang"
After all it would seem that I ain't the only one to hold such a low opinion of them. _________________ The lunatics have finally taken over the asylum |
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V MotoGP Racer
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:36 am Post subject: |
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Found that interesting reading _________________
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biggus illitterātus
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Agree that any extra training is worthwhile.
Trouble is that the people who stick out from the "IAM/RoSPA" lot are the really annoying ones. I have ridden with many IAM types and quite honestly been bored off my b*ll*cks riding with most of them, there are of course notable exceptions, but there are very few people on this planet who I find more irritating than the ram it down your throat holier than thou art IAM types - Just being a member of the IAM does not make you a good motorcyclist!!!!
I would probably go RoSPa if I were to go to any form of advanced training. This sort of discussion has come up before, one of the points raised has been the failing to teach "machine control", which is as important as any other observation/roadcraft training. Observation is nothing if your braking etc is not up to par if required to be used in anger... _________________
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I have done Rapid Training and it is to be highly recommended. I did it twice, once in Oxfordshire and once nr Croydon. The instructure there was a former instructor at the Nurburgring.
Other than Firecracker, I do not believe I have not met an "interesting" IAM / Rosper person. Perhaps I only meet the odd ones. |
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GT Expert CnutCnut
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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MarcBC wrote: | I have done Rapid Training and it is to be highly recommended. I did it twice, once in Oxfordshire and once nr Croydon. The instructure there was a former instructor at the Nurburgring.
Other than Firecracker, I do not believe I have not met an "interesting" IAM / Rosper person. Perhaps I only meet the odd ones. |
You should join then Marc you'll fit in well! (sorry was in response to the chav remark, bastid ) _________________ Speed Limits are Minimums and remember Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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matttherat wrote: | MarcBC wrote: | I have done Rapid Training and it is to be highly recommended. I did it twice, once in Oxfordshire and once nr Croydon. The instructure there was a former instructor at the Nurburgring.
Other than Firecracker, I do not believe I have not met an "interesting" IAM / Rosper person. Perhaps I only meet the odd ones. |
You should join then Marc you'll fit in well! (sorry was in response to the chav remark, bastid ) |
touche! (I don't know how to accent the "e") |
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biggus illitterātus
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:55 am Post subject: |
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MarcBC wrote: | touche! (I don't know how to accent the "e") |
[Alt Gr] + e gives you é _________________
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Lil Mush Silent but violent
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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biggus wrote: | MarcBC wrote: | touche! (I don't know how to accent the "e") |
[Alt Gr] + e gives you é | _________________
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Lil Mush Silent but violent
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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biggus wrote: | Agree that any extra training is worthwhile.
Trouble is that the people who stick out from the "IAM/RoSPA" lot are the really annoying ones. I have ridden with many IAM types and quite honestly been bored off my b*ll*cks riding with most of them, there are of course notable exceptions, but there are very few people on this planet who I find more irritating than the ram it down your throat holier than thou art IAM types |
And here I was, thinking seeking advanced training was about gaining skills, not meetin interesting people! How silly of me!
BTW, did Rapid Training yesterday and was pretty good, except the guy didn't manage to stop the rain! Now, I would love to do one-to-one but it's sooo expensive!! Anyway, who says I will have a licence to ride? _________________
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biggus illitterātus
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Lil Mush wrote: | And here I was, thinking seeking advanced training was about gaining skills, not meetin interesting people! How silly of me! |
I don't think you understood my point there... Wasn't talking about being bored by their conversation... And it is of course a generalisation, you tend only to remember those who stick out, and unfortunately those who "stick out" generally do so because they are twats!
Lil Mush wrote: | BTW, did Rapid Training yesterday and was pretty good, except the guy didn't manage to stop the rain! Now, I would love to do one-to-one but it's sooo expensive!! |
I might have a crack at Rapid Training, if I can book a dry day
Lil Mush wrote: | Anyway, who says I will have a licence to ride? |
awww _________________
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boudicas Kermit
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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biggus wrote: | Trouble is that the people who stick out from the "IAM/RoSPA" lot are the really annoying ones. |
Yep - any large group of people suffers from its bunch of boring / know it all twats - I agree with you there totally
biggus wrote: | but there are very few people on this planet who I find more irritating than the ram it down your throat holier than thou art IAM types - Just being a member of the IAM does not make you a good motorcyclist!!!! |
Again, I agree wholeheartedly. I hope I don't come across as a holier than thou idiot as I KNOW I have a LOT more to learn and don't consider myself better / superior to anyone.
biggus wrote: | one of the points raised has been the failing to teach "machine control", which is as important as any other observation/roadcraft training |
Again, the perfect point. FWIW - The IAM Group I belong to makes it a mandatory part of the training to attend machine control days for both slow and fast speed control. Much more in-depth than the stuff you get on a DAS course.
I never said (and never will say) that either organization is perfect but the advanced training it is cheap, effective and of a very high standard. _________________ Opinions are like assholes...... Ahhh Fcuk it - YOUR WRONG !!!
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wivvy's dad Cabbage club member #3
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Nope - you come across as a holier than thou idiot |
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Tinks Fairy Grandmoderator
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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I did a day with theses a few years back http://www.survivalskills.clara.net/index.htm
and loved it.
But i didnt learn anything i couldn't have learned riding with James/ Matt/Mouse. _________________ Happiness is a friction burn on your knee
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Flipper MotoGP Racer
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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If it improves your ride then go for it!! I agree with WD about IAM peeps - heard loads of good tings about ROSPA.
So long as people get referesher training then it's got to be a good thing. Even Martyn and Matt will have an annual assessments to continue in their jobs. |
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GT Expert CnutCnut
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Flipper wrote: | If it improves your ride then go for it!! I agree with WD about IAM peeps - heard loads of good tings about ROSPA.
So long as people get referesher training then it's got to be a good thing. Even Martyn and Matt will have an annual assessments to continue in their jobs. |
No we don't, _________________ Speed Limits are Minimums and remember Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one
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Flipper MotoGP Racer
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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matttherat wrote: | Flipper wrote: | If it improves your ride then go for it!! I agree with WD about IAM peeps - heard loads of good tings about ROSPA.
So long as people get referesher training then it's got to be a good thing. Even Martyn and Matt will have an annual assessments to continue in their jobs. |
No we don't, |
That surprises me, TVP and even my own dept have yearly assessments |
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GT Expert CnutCnut
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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Flipper wrote: | matttherat wrote: | Flipper wrote: | If it improves your ride then go for it!! I agree with WD about IAM peeps - heard loads of good tings about ROSPA.
So long as people get referesher training then it's got to be a good thing. Even Martyn and Matt will have an annual assessments to continue in their jobs. |
No we don't, |
That surprises me, TVP and even my own dept have yearly assessments |
And how many peeps does each organisation have exactly? _________________ Speed Limits are Minimums and remember Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one
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Flipper MotoGP Racer
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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matttherat wrote: | Flipper wrote: | matttherat wrote: | Flipper wrote: | If it improves your ride then go for it!! I agree with WD about IAM peeps - heard loads of good tings about ROSPA.
So long as people get referesher training then it's got to be a good thing. Even Martyn and Matt will have an annual assessments to continue in their jobs. |
No we don't, |
That surprises me, TVP and even my own dept have yearly assessments |
And how many peeps does each organisation have exactly? |
TVP ? no idea though it's obviously going to be smaller than ther Met - our little dept only have about a dozen riders |
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GT Expert CnutCnut
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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I think there in lies the problem mate, would love to have a day off brushing up, we all need it! _________________ Speed Limits are Minimums and remember Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one
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