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boudicas · Last edited by boudicas on Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:42 pm; edited 4 times in total

I have seen a few people on the forum who are interested / have gone for Advanced training and having looked up the cost thought it might be an idea to put up a couple of cheaper (but just as good if not better) alternatives that will also drop your insurance costs as well as keeping you alive.

Both the IAM and RoSPA will teach you how to ride you bike to get the most out of it and both organize touring holidays and track days etc so you can bet the members are not Boring Old Farts

Both organisations teach police riding techniques based on Motorcycle Roadcraft: The Police Riders Handbook

Both the IAM and RoSPA cost between £110 - £140 for an unlimited number of Observed / Training Rides and that price includes the cost of the Advanced Test and a years membership to both your local group and the IAM / RoSPA.

Click here for the IAM Advanced Motorcycle training website

Click here for the full list of IAM Local Groups

http://www.kamg.org.uk/ (I belong to this group and we meet at Brands Hatch)

http://www.wvam.org.uk/ (this is another group based close to Boxhill)

Click Here for the RoSPA Advanced Motorcycle Training training website

Click Here for the full list of RoSPA Local Groups

http://www.mvsroadar.org.uk/ (a RoSPA group based Close to Boxhill)
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V · Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the info Very Happy

Was talking today about joining one of these groups but just not sure yet which one
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wivvy's dad · Cabbage club member #3 Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 14655

This is my opinion.

The ones I know ARE boring old farts.

IAM are basically a bunch of Police wannabees, and once you pass to their standard, you then become an observer, and then possibly an examiner etc, thereby perpetuating their meagre standards.

ROSPA on the other hand re-test on a regular basis, and seem to have a much better reputation.

If you REALLY want to learn how to ride better, your best bet would be to talk to Rapid Training.

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boudicas · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:25 am Post subject:

Seen the post but dont see the connection.

However, both the IAM and RoSPA follow these core rules

1) To ride as safe as possible whilst making the best possible progress in all traffic situations
2) To Ride within the law at all times
3) To be considerate to other road users and be an example that is to be followed.
4) To enjoy riding Motorbikes in all situations.
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wildman · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:33 am Post subject:

WD, is that right? Do you teach advanced riding? No? didn't think so.
However, if you did. I would expect that I would learn a hell of a lot more riding with you than with any IAM group out there.

To my shame I actually considered joining the IAM at one point. It was just after I passed my test and I was all eager to learn more Smile

Luckily for me they have/had this little rule that says no motorcycle under 200cc. I was still on my 125 at the time. A derestricted 125 that was more than capable of breaking every speed limit in the country I might add.
Made no difference to those jumped up twats though. I was pissed off at the time but now I am rather glad they wouldn't let me join their little "gang"
After all it would seem that I ain't the only one to hold such a low opinion of them.
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V · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:36 am Post subject:

biggus · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:20 am Post subject:

Agree that any extra training is worthwhile.

Trouble is that the people who stick out from the "IAM/RoSPA" lot are the really annoying ones. I have ridden with many IAM types and quite honestly been bored off my b*ll*cks riding with most of them, there are of course notable exceptions, but there are very few people on this planet who I find more irritating than the ram it down your throat holier than thou art IAM types - Just being a member of the IAM does not make you a good motorcyclist!!!!

I would probably go RoSPa if I were to go to any form of advanced training. This sort of discussion has come up before, one of the points raised has been the failing to teach "machine control", which is as important as any other observation/roadcraft training. Observation is nothing if your braking etc is not up to par if required to be used in anger...
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I have done Rapid Training and it is to be highly recommended. I did it twice, once in Oxfordshire and once nr Croydon. The instructure there was a former instructor at the Nurburgring. Laughing

Other than Firecracker, I do not believe I have not met an "interesting" IAM / Rosper person. Perhaps I only meet the odd ones.

GT · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:34 am Post subject:

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boudicas · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject:

wivvy's dad · Cabbage club member #3 Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 14655

Nope - you come across as a holier than thou idiot

Tinks · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject:

I did a day with theses a few years back http://www.survivalskills.clara.net/index.htm
and loved it.

But i didnt learn anything i couldn't have learned riding with James/ Matt/Mouse.
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Flipper · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject:

If it improves your ride then go for it!! I agree with WD about IAM peeps - heard loads of good tings about ROSPA.

So long as people get referesher training then it's got to be a good thing. Even Martyn and Matt will have an annual assessments to continue in their jobs.

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GT · Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject:

I think there in lies the problem mate, would love to have a day off brushing up, we all need it!
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