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doh1990 · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:58 am Post subject: speed limits

Read an article in "EVO" magazine and there was a letter saying that speed limits should have times. "a 20mph limit outside a shcool is still applied (and enforced) in the small hours of the morning" etc...

just wonderd what people thaught

discuss..
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doh1990 · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:08 am Post subject:

ouch...thaught this might start a heated discussion...
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Flipper · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:08 am Post subject:

Yep - I think they should go up by 20% between 8pm and 9pm then down by 30% between 11 and 12. Then up 50% between midnight and 5am.

And that's before we get to weekends and public holidays.

If the limit is there then we need to get use to it - which means all hours of the day imho. Too often cage drivers are on auto pilot!!
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doh1990 · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:30 am Post subject:

wonder what fastride's veiw on this is...
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I think flipper needs a chill pil he aint fast cant even doge a bit fat blade lol i say weely in teh 20s give kids a show Very Happy

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boudicas · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:16 am Post subject:

Ouch touchy subject.

I don't think they should change based on times but I think it mght be an idea to change them based on weather conditions.

I'm prolly wrong but doesn't a couple of countries in the EU have speed limits that reduce by 10% in wet / icy conditions?
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GT · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:26 am Post subject:

Vehicles and associated safety features have moved on but humans have not and this is probably why speed limits have not changed, in fact it is the opposite, all national limits in greater london have all been reduced and some resedential streets reduced to 20's.

Should limits be raised, motorways imo should be to come in line with the rest of europe, in fact i agree with how things are done in france and i think the majority of us that have travelled over there would agree, but i think it would be a pointless exercise here as there really is not enough distance between each village?
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southernspeed · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:02 am Post subject:

wivvy's dad · Cabbage club member #3 Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 14655

The 70 mph National Speed Limit was introduced as a temporary measure in December 1965. It is often blamed on Barbara Castle, but at the time the Minister of Transport was Tom Fraser.

The reason given was a spate of serious accidents in foggy conditions, but it is often claimed that the MoT had been alarmed by AC Cars testing their latest Cobra on the M1 at speeds up to 180 mph.

It was confirmed as a permanent limit in 1967, by which time Barbara Castle (a non-driver) had become Minister of Transport.There was surprisingly little debate at the time: the fact that the average family car of the time could only just exceed 70 mph perhaps had something to do with this.

It should be noted that this limit applied to all previously "derestricted" roads, not only motorways.

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It doesn't matter what the speed limits are set to no bugger will adhere to them..........

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Its a Troll anyway. I mean, come on, a poll about speed limits on a motorcycle forum,........please....

ninjabob · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:56 am Post subject:

Lil Mush · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:39 am Post subject:

For me, this issue is part of a much wider one of over-policing.

In my opinion, the more you bind people with rules and restricitions, the less they feel responsible and accountable. Basically, they stop thinking for themselves and just follow... THAT in my opinion is far more dangerous.

And that's why you get some idiot driving at 30mph, despite some toddlers running on the edge of the pavement (oh but he's not breaking the speed limit). The same guy will be doing 70 in the right-hand lane on the mototrway (please note: still not breaking the speed limit!)

I come back to the fact that I'd rather think for myself, ie, judge my surroundings, conditions and adapt my driving/riding to suit than follow blindly some speed limit. And yeah, that's why I collect points... Rolling Eyes

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I agree that speed limits should be changed with times, but not "raised" when it's quiet. More lowered when it's busy.

For example, in Wokingham there is a secondary school with a 40mph road outside it. That road, during school start and finish times, so 8am-9am and 3pm-4pm, I think should be a 20mph or 30mph.

Likewise, there's a primary school in Bracknell with a 30mph road outside. I think in that same time bracket this should be a 20mph.

On the M25 there is a variable limit, I agree with the principle of this but not the effect it has (drivers accelerating up to cameras then hammering the brakes). Also, limits are changed on M4 and M3 depending on conditions (can be 40, 50 or 60 depending on traffic, accidents etc). People tend to ignore those ones though... Embarrassed

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Loco · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject:

I think the issue is not one of speed but driver inattention...

That said although the effectiveness of modern breaking systems has increased the mean HUMAN reaction time has not decreased!!

The problem is in the time it takes the brain to react to a potential hazard and then send the information then the body to react to the command... see how well you do then judge for your self...

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/index.php
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BarryH · Cabbage club member #1 Joined: 25 Jun 2004 Posts: 7579

I'm glad some one has finally pointed that out.....gets slower as you get older too, does that mean we have an age related speed limit?

.........oh yeah 167 ms. better than average though I don't rate that test for the driving senario much. Only using one finger!

boudicas · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:17 pm Post subject:

Suzibabe · Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:17 pm Post subject:

I agree with Lil Mush in that it seems we are no longer able to think for ourselves and perhaps a majority of the population like the government to do their thinking for them - a lot of stupid laws coming in whether on speed or not.

Like others, I have seen perfectly good derestricted roads made into a 50 or 40 for no apparent reason ie not a built up area.

We have a primary school in our road and the limit is 20mph. People adhere to this in the school hours (they have no choice because of all the cars parked down the side) but outside of school hours people will go back to the normal 30 (or sometimes above).

Those people who speed without any consideration for others or the situation will always speed no matter what limit is posted.

I for one would like the limit to change based on times. Only because then I won't feel guilty about doing 30 in a 20 in the early hours of the morning!
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