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[biggus]

Ok here's one for you...

Is it fair that a smoker who takes a "fag breaks" still clocks on/off at the same times as a non smoker at work?

This is not a reformed smoker question, even when I smoked, I never smoked from the moment I walked through the door until I left the premises either for lunch or at the end of the day, because, I had colleagues who used to regularly disappear hourly for 10 mins at a time on "fag breaks" and it pissed me off.
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[Baloo]

In general, I have no problem if they take a fag break or two, as long as they are equally as productive / effective as anyone who does not smoke.

One thiing that used to piss me off though was people taking 3 or 4 20 minute fag breaks during the day, plus tea breaks plus extended lunches and then said they were too busy to take on extra work.

This all blurs into one if we also consider those people take too much time on the internet, personal phone calls etc. It is no different to taking a fag break.

It also depends on the job they do to some extent in my mind. Someone who is doing a mind numbing admin job, will need a break compared to someone who may have a more mixed role which may be more mentally stimulating.

[boudicas]

I Voted "OTHER"

OK. Here's how it works where I'm employed.....

Everyone is entitled to a 10 minute break during the morning and another in the afternoon. If the smokers want to smoke in their break they can (in the designated corner of the car park)

However, the company kept quiet about the fact that everyone is entitled to a break by law and were happy to let the non-smokers feel disgruntled about the smokers getting the percieved "extra" breaks. So someone made a complaint to HR about it and the answer that came back was...

"accorning to employment law you cannot be forced to work more than 4 hours without a break. So for thsoe starting at 8:30 this means that if they are on the 1 o'clock lunch they MUST have a break in the morning. Same for the afternoon. Anyone who returns from lunch at 1 MUST have a further break before clocking off at 5."

So the guys I work for allow us to have 2 ten minute breaks a day where smokers can smoke and non-smokers can talk behind the backs of the smokers.

I dont know if thre are any specail exemptions because of the nature of your work Duncan but you will probably find its not a case of the smokers getting extra breaks but rather a case of the non-smokers not knowingt hey are entitled to a break too.
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[gsxrboy 24/7]

i used to work for a company where at least two people had a 5 min fag break every hr or so, so about 8 breaks a day, 40 mins total. Yet when i grabbed a cuppa once and instead of carrying on working i stopped and read the paper at my desk, i got asked by the manager why i wasn't working, i replied, "i'm having a fag break" (he was one of the smokers) he then said that if the area director saw me he'd go ape and suggested i read the paper out of the office...so i did..for about 10 mins
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[darkdreamsgal]

I voted other - in principle, I don't have a problem with it so long as:
a) they do not then f*ck off home at 6pm and tell me they cannot deliver to everyone else's deadlines (and/or what Baloo said)
b) no one moans to me about my internet / coffee time

Frankly if I don't have the time because I'm full on in the middle of a transaction, then it won't even cross my mind to remember lunch, let alone taking an internet / coffee break.
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[Flipper]

As an adult worker you will normally have the right to a 20 minute rest break if you are expected to work more than six hours at a stretch.

A lunch or coffee break can count as your rest break. Additional breaks might be given by your contract of employment. There is no statutory right to 'smoking breaks'.

The requirements are:


•the break must be in one block

•it cannot be taken off one end of the working day - it must be somewhere in the middle

•you are allowed to spend it away from the place on your employer's premises where you work

•your employer can say when the break must be taken, as long as it meets these conditions
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I agree with Baloo. Spot on.
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[Tusky]

Oh I feel an employer rant coming on

It really pisses me off on site when the following things happen...

Smokers needing to down tools and totally stop work for a fag break and leaving the non smoker (me) totally unable to do a two man job

Workers who can't physically talk and work... grrr... they have to look at each other and maintain eye contact

Workers that sit on there arse doing nothing for the entire rest-break and then suddenly have personal telephone calls to make once it is time to start work again

So I guess smoking is not the issue for me but if they take say 6 x 5 minute fag breaks, then that should be 30 mins of their daily allowance used up...

Oh and what really really gets me is seeing a mass of people smoking at the gates of a hospital or supermarket etc....


and breathe..........
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[Tango]

They take their fag breaks AFTER THEIR TEA AND LUNCH BREAKS here, and at least a dozen other times during working time.

Boils my p~~~ as it means I am working hours more as a non smoker ...........
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[Sharky]

I voted other.

If you work for a company that allows smokers to do this, then there is nothing to stop non smokers from having a break in the fresh air when they like. The employer can then NOT say anything abpit it because they are allowing the smokers to do it. So if your pissed off... Just down tools and go for a coffee. If anyone asks about it tell them you went for a fag break!
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[Pieandbeans]

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[nosnowking]

I think it all boils down to the work ethic. If someone takes any opportunity to have a break, be it tea, coffee, having a fag or going for a shit, they will find the time to do it. It's been said already, but people who take 15 mins for a fag break is unnecessary. But then again so is stopping work to have a chat, browse the net, look at BHF and any other mindless task.

Personally, I never take a lunch break, preferring to nip off for a few fag breaks every now and then instead. It takes me about 5 mins max to roll and smoke a cig. Usually a lot less. I probably take less break time than someone who rigidly sits down for their designated lunch hour. I never take a break during critical times.

If someone won't take ownership of their workload, then there is a deeper issue there. Blaming it on cig breaks and imposing draconian controls on break times won't solve the issue.

[gsxrboy 24/7]

there was one guy at this firm, didn't smoke, but, he would spend the first ten mins on monday reading the footie pages of about 3 redtops, then, whenever he spoke to a customer for the rest of the day on the phone or at the trade counter he would proceed to talk for 20 mins on all the games over the weekend (if they were regular customers and into football that is), it gets quite boring hearing the same shit about football for 8 hours... i'm all for customer relations but he must have "wasted" at least an hr every monday during the footie season...
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[SkinnyHulk]

I love working outside i can smoke AND work at the same time. and you office jockeys, probably have access to a laptop, log on outside and smoke and work





i accept no liability for loss or damage resulting from my advice, if you wanna plug a laptop into the mains whilst outside and raining, consider it darwinism
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