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[faulksie47]

[pgtips]

A couple 'o' penneth worth.....


First up, 2 hours after I passed my test, I was 'lucky' enough to get the opportunity to ride a GSXR1100H - one of the fastest production race machines available at the time. Yep, was V nervous & as it turned out, my mate needed me to ride either that, or a honda CB250RS back for him, so he figured that I'd take more care on the gixxer - he was right, and ever since, I've prefered bigger bikes. THat's not to say I didnt do some pretty dumb things during my first few years of riding & to be honest I'm glad that I had a smaller bike followed by an old GS750 - big, lots of weight, but comparatively low power by modern standards, so I guess I'd go with getting experience on those sort of bikes if you're going to ride them - i.e. get some training.
Secondly - the issue of direct access/restrictions etc. Personally I dont think that everyone wants to ride massive bikes, a lot of people are happy with mid-range bikes, so I cant see what the problem would be with having a test for people who want to ride up to 33bhp, and a test for over. Would keep it nice & simple really.
Finally I noticed the ages of these lads 18/19...hmmm it's unlikely that you'd get a bikes like that restricted in the first place - can be done but I've never seen one & it kinda strangles em. So, looking at thier cavalier attitude, I'd hazard a guess that these guys are either lying about thier age (not likely), lying about the restrictions to the bikes, or they havent got entitlement to ride those bikes, let alone the large amounts of money for insurance - I was quoted £1027 tp only at 20 - 13 years ago!

I dont think that just because someone's young that they cant ride - just because a bike's big & racy, doesnt mean the rider can handle it, and just because the bikes small - doesnt mean that the bike & rider couldnt ride rings around you!

Those guys definately sound a bit iffy tho.

As for the whole insurance argument, hmm, I got done for no insurance on a technicality once - that then made my ins. go up! so thinking about it, if someone couldnt afford ins, got stopped etc thier punishment is higher insurance? doesnt make much sense there really. Think about it a bit harder, and if you make a claim yr insurance goes up - so why have you protected yourself in the first place? if you dont make a claim, yr insurance goes up.......
Never had to claim off my insurance - ever, looking back at the cars & bikes I've had the money I've paid must be astronomical, somewhere between £13 - £17K. Hmm what have I had for that........crappy service, long hold times, renewal increases, and people telling me that if I tell a fib- they all talk to each other & will do me- that's rich, they've scammed thousands off me!

[1stGarry]

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[Matty]

now now children put your toys back into your pram please

[1stGarry]

Not getting at all mardy, Matt.
This is a fascinating thread and I'm taking in all these points of view.
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[biggus]

For what it's worth all of these points are largely down to the individual concerned, just being 18 doesn't make you a hooligan... likewise being older & experienced doesn't make you a riding god - case in point was a colleague moaning about an old hairy roaring off up to 70 on the straights then taking every corner like a 50 pence piece at 30 (thrupenny bit to you garry )
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[1stGarry]

Ah the thrupenny bit, now that were real money, lad
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[Matty]

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[Notorius]

I'd just like to say that since moving from my CG125 to the Speed 4 (which is restricted and I'm am insured for £1111 fully comp ((how it's that low for fully comp at my age I don't know))) I've have less near miss moments because I've been more observent on the road and I'm not rushing about everywhere trying to get the most out of my bike like I was on the CG because I know the bike will perform when I want it too. Mind you, most of my near missed on the CG were almost going right into the back of people because of the totally pathetic drum brakes.
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[GSEX-SLAPPY]

ok ive sat back and read the replys to this thread and at the risk of maybe sounding a total prat heres my opinion.
firstly at whatever age you pass your test you are and should be entitled to jump on any bike you wish you have trained and been tested on your ability to ride on two wheels safley
secondly as we all know the national speed limit in this country is 70mph the individual breaks this limit at thier own risk and we still import and make machines capable of shattering that limit
thirdly there is a fund in place to cover the victims of uninsured drivers ( i have been a victim which is why i am aware of it) it will not cover the uninsured party....... ride uninsured at your own risk.
Finally when an individual climbs aboard any vehicle be it a moped a superbike a supercar they and they alone have the choice on how fast they travel and most of these super machines will travel at the national speed limit extremely safley and have braking capabilities to match thier power if they choose to grab a handful of throttle on a 30mph country lane winding up and over 100mph then if farmer giles pulls out they can expect to reap the rewards of insanity.
please dont take my comments the wrong way i am probably the last person to abide to the letter of the law regarding the speed limit but i do believe there is a time and a place and yes i too have chased along the road in moments of insanity trying to play keep up with bigger bikes.
i have a philosophy ........................................
each to his own no more no less

[GSEX-SLAPPY]

and yes garry i am one of those that have just got back into biking after 15 years out of the loop hence i bought a 600cc tourer/sports nothing special nothing too jumpy (gsx600f).
when i passed my test over 20 years ago i jumped onto a z1300 would i do that today????? not on your nelly mate i wanna get the feel again with todays modern bike and todays rubber things have changed soooooo much and luckily i was senesible enough to realise it without making the mistakes first.

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[wildman]

Mav, who do you think the money in that "fund" you mentioned comes from?
It comes from all the insured drivers.
Why should we have to pay to protect the victims of uninsured f**kwits?
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[GSEX-SLAPPY]

yup you me and the rest of society pay it same way we keep the imigrants the unemployed etc etc and we will never see any different neither will we change it.
as i said dont take me wrong i am not condoning these idiots but in each to his own its thier choice.
Should the option be given i think anyone caught without insurance MOT or tax should have thier license revoked and be tagged whereby thier speed may be monitored and tracked to see if they are breaking the law ( driving without a license)

[Jonboy]

[GSEX-SLAPPY]

None taken jonboy as i said i dont condone it and anyone show me a way to stop it and ill put my name to the top of the list.
imigration and unemployment were just examples of other forms of revenue taken from our pockets to subsedise other people,
examples nothing more.
as i stated before i have been the victim of an uninsured driver who incedently was drunk also and yes i recieved a small sum for my unjurys,
was it enough ???? no not really not when taken in to consideeration i could have died then what would the money mean.........nothing.
would i like to see something done about it ???? of course i would, do i think legally stopping an 18 year old buying a litre superbike will stop it .....NO itll probably make it worse cos theyll only go and buy one anyway and break another law.

[firestorm]

How to stop people riding/driving with no insurance..
Easy.....we have tax discs so why not have insurance discs as well?
that way plod can see if the vehicle has insurance or not

[Tinks]

dont u need insurance to get road tax ???

now being as i have a lad of 16 and a house full of his mate, i know what im talking about.

1 of his mates failed his CBT but his parents still let him ride his 50cc and he still got it insured!!

a few weeks later he was knocked off on a roundabout and guess what?? the car's insurance payed out!!!
how i dont know seeing as he didnt have a CBT he shouldnt be on the road

Other mates derestrict there 50ccto go faster again this is against there insurance, but they all see nothing wrong with it.

Now my lad wants a R6 in october, (33bhp) and says he'll take the kit out!!
no way will i let him, as he'll have no insurance so it will be a nice lil 400/500cc for him to start with till he learns how important things like NCB's no points are.
then at 19(2yrs 33bhp??) he can ride a full power bike and hopfully he would have done some more training and keep on learning.

Now i see his time on a small bike as very important learning curve to his long term bike riding not a quick road to power.

i guess its down to the lads them selfs but i would like my lad to take his time live and have fun with me for years to come, and yes he's had a spin on my bike but i wont let him ride around town on the 125 till he's 17.
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[faulksie47]

maverick ya talk a lot of sense mate ...

as regards someone saying bout insurance discs on bikes/cars like a tax disc ... i'm sure some of you are awrae thgat the insutrnace companies now register all vehicles insured on a central database that the Feds have access to .. several feds vehicles are equiped with number plate recognistion cameras that are linked to these databases are they are instantly informed if any vehicle is not taxed, insured or any thig else its wanted for

Tinks .. ask chufster what he used to do when he was younger as was'nt allowed a bike !! its hard to stop um mate .. no one could stop me

Chufster ! hope ya did'nt mind me repeating that .. overheard u chatting bout that at the mucky duck ...

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[Chuffster]

No worries Faulksie, havn't spoke to my parents for years and it would only be them it upset.
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