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f1reblade · MotoGP Racer Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 2896

Talking of breakers yards, I once saw a RGV250 reduced to parts you fit into one hand, after a crash..... The rider didn't make it, but it stop and make you think.

Unfortunately I've also watched several people die in bike/car related accidents.... believe me ther is NO nice way to die.

My Sombre thought for the evening.
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GSEX-SLAPPY · Guest

i think protective clothing is a must if our offspring decide to venture into the world of biking having seen an ungloved rider spill on deisel land hands down and promptly expose the skeletal structure of his hands.
and also my brother losing the second toe on his right foot after hitting a transit with trainers on.
Neither of them a pretty sight

AL · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject:

I only passed my DAS last summer at the grand old age of 29, i had 125's and stuff as a kid 17 - 21 etc and i reckon that the 33bhp limit should apply to anyone just passing their test, and not by way of restriction kits. Should be a capacity limit kinda thing i.e. you're stuck on a 2 stroke 250 or a 4 stroke 400. I passed my test and got a 'relatively' low powered Fazer 600 which is considered as a learning bike by most, and wow there is definately more than enough power there to get me into serious probs if i was that way inclined, and i don't have all the extra testosterone of a younger teenage male.

Jeeze, i am totally waffling now. You can die falling out of bed in the morning (it happens) and from watching these 'police stop' programs you see enough younsters being killed on small capacity machines (50's and 125's) so i guess my previous point is all garbage, the emphasis should be on training and education! A dumbass can kill themselves as effectively on a 33bhp bike as they can on a 133bhp bike. I'll shut up now.

f1reblade · MotoGP Racer Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 2896

One of the probs with training is that there ain't any that'll prepare you to unlease a sports bike...

Yeah the IAM et all will teach you "road craft" and highway code... but when you're bearing down on a corner at 140 you find that pivot steering and body position, weighting the footrests etc were sorely missing from their adjenda.... just before you loose control of exit line, crash and die Smile

My happy thought of the evening:-)
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AJ · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:21 pm Post subject:

Bit harsh F1reblade, m8.

I know we had the same convo b4 - but I got a lot out of the "one dayer" police courses - + 1 IAM observed ride - and I think your idea of getting to know the roadcraft book AND doing a couple a track days is a great hybrid option.

My 10p worth - just an opinion.
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f1reblade · MotoGP Racer Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 2896

Yeah everything has its place just the IAM/Poo Lice training seems to stop at the speed limit....

That won't help bonus corner harder Smile

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AJ · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:25 pm Post subject:

I know - but u also don't (usually) have to deal wit oncoming on a trackday!

lol
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f1reblade · MotoGP Racer Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 2896

Pah, cars are just a rolling chicane Smile

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AJ · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject:

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1stGarry · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject:

f1reblade fumbled:

GSEX-SLAPPY · Guest

im not even getting into this i get off and push my bike round corners

AJ · Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 11:38 pm Post subject:

Yo Swiss.

Actually did have a "sensible" conversation with F1reblade about this offline - and he does have an essential and practical point. Though a little exaggerated in this thread.

I would always endorse training wherever and whenever available - it's just that some of that Highway code / roadcraft stuff appears to me to be relevant to when people drove about with a guy with a flag in front. But by no means more than 10 per cent.

Similarly - I would prefer to study / test / fail / study - than join my local IAM - I don't have a pipe or an Arran jumper or slippers.. I was so wishing to dismiss this image before I went along - but who did I get saddled with .. "Derek Nimmo" (ask yer parents)
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1stGarry · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 12:08 am Post subject:

Yes, I thought f1reblades comments were somewhat "exaggerated" as you say, which is why my reply was perhaps a little pointed!
But essentially we were both making valid observations Smile

It is interesting to see the different perspectives on this thread, and fortunately we all open-minded enough to take in each others views Smile

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f1reblade · MotoGP Racer Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 2896

1st - If the world was a perfect place you'd be right... but it aint, and all the Iam'ers I've ever ridden with go all namby pamby above the limit.

Germany doesn't need speed limits, nor does the IoM - its all about skill, which is why I raced, why I still ride on the road, and why I still ride a dirt bike.... To be the best rider I can be.
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Bonus · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:58 am Post subject:

172.7 BHP at the back wheel given to someone who has been riding less than a year, you have got to be joking.

Im sure there are skilled young riders out there but at such a inexperienced age there is no way I could have handled my current bike.
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Road Runner · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 11:37 am Post subject:

Totaly agree with bonus.My busa i reckon would scare the crap out of most of the forum members regardless of experience Shocked

Scares me

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1stGarry · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:41 pm Post subject:

f1reblade said:

Chuffster · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:46 pm Post subject:

If in Germany go to the Nurburgring (old track), theres no limit on that for over 13 miles.
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f1reblade · MotoGP Racer Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 2896

BEfore you get on your high horses....

MY point was there is no way to be prepared for riding a modern sports bike.... The IAM RoSPA etc don't give you skills needed to ride it hard.

I have learnt these from experience, as have most of you guys.... but there still is nowhere to go, well maybe the California Superbike school, but that wasn't about in my day.
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Chuffster · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:56 pm Post subject:

I know exactly where you are coming from - there is no replacement for experience.

What I would say though, is, that there are plenty of people who have experience in plenty but still could not ride a superbike properly.
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Bonus · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject:

I have learnt how to ride a sports bike in anger, little by little and over years of riding. Another place I learnt my trade was to go to France with riders more experienced than me. Semi pro race team on a jolly, thier tution was priceless Wink

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f1reblade · MotoGP Racer Joined: 03 May 2004 Posts: 2896

Again....learnt from racers.....
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Bonus · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject:

Yes I did f1reblade, they were a bloody fine bunch of genuine chaps, who would offer advise in such a way that made perfect sence.

I owe them a great deal of thanks and gratitude.

As you said you just cant learn that stuff on a course.
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CHILLI · 202.9mph Raspberry Ripple Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 7857

Spending loads of time on the road with a more experienced rider (Bonus) taught me heaps, as well as giving me the confidence to step up to the R1 last year. I'm still learning and still loving every minute on my bike Very Happy

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Incubus · Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:07 pm Post subject:

learnt from top racers but was too young & cocky at time to really listen properly ended up paying a heavy price now finding my feet again after about 7 years
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